Open Models: Kimi K3, Qwen 3.8, Xi's WAIC Speech, Distillation, The Open-Closed Gap, and What's Next

Nathan Lambert and Florian Brand discuss the accelerating open model landscape, focusing on the surge in Chinese models like Kimi K3 and GLM 5.2. They explore the reasons behind China's progress, the evolving US ecosystem, the cybersecurity implications of open-source bans, and debunk common misconceptions about distillation, particularly challenging Ben Thompson's recent claims. The episode concludes with predictions and a frontier model tier list.