A mind-expanding conversation on how models actually work | Emmanuel Ameisen (Anthropic)

Emmanuel Ameisen, an interpretability researcher at Anthropic, explains how the team looks inside models like Claude to understand how they actually think. The conversation covers why next-token prediction hides real planning and conceptual representation, why models are grown rather than built, how intermediate activations reveal structure, why anthropomorphic framing can be useful, how smooth scaling produces sudden capability thresholds, and how interpretability ties into alignment, safety, and the broader question of what these systems are.