Andrej Karpathy discusses the paradigm shift to AI agent-driven development, the future of engineering and research with his AutoResearch project, the impact on jobs, and the evolving landscape of open-source models, robotics, and education.
Poetiq, a startup by former DeepMind researchers, has developed a recursive self-improvement meta-system that builds "reasoning harnesses" on top of existing LLMs. This approach avoids the costly "fine-tuning trap" and has achieved state-of-the-art results on benchmarks like ARC-AGI and Humanity's Last Exam by automatically optimizing prompts and discovering novel reasoning strategies.
Poetic, a startup by ex-DeepMind researchers, has significantly advanced performance on the ARC-AGI benchmark by applying a recursive self-improvement system to Gemini 3. Co-founder Ian Fisher discusses how their approach of automating prompt and system engineering provides a substantial performance boost without needing access to model weights, and explores its potential as a path toward AGI.
Anna Goldie and Azalia Mirhoseini of Ricursive Intelligence discuss how their work on Google's AlphaChip, which used AI to design TPUs, is now being extended to automate the entire chip design process. They explain their vision for a 'designless' industry and a recursive self-improvement loop where AI designs better chips, which in turn accelerates AI development.
Nathan Labenz joins Erik Torenberg to challenge the narrative that AI progress is slowing down. He argues that despite perceptions around GPT-5, capabilities in reasoning and frontier science are advancing exponentially. They discuss the future of AI agents, the prospect of recursive self-improvement, the impact on jobs, and progress beyond language models into robotics and biology. The conversation culminates in a call for a more imaginative, positive vision to guide AI's trajectory.
Nathan Labenz argues that AI progress is not slowing down but is instead manifesting in less obvious but more powerful ways, such as advanced reasoning and multimodal capabilities. He deconstructs the debate around GPT-5's perceived impact, highlights the revolutionary potential of AI agents in science and engineering, and discusses the tangible effects on job automation. The conversation also explores the rise of robotics, the challenges of emergent AI behaviors like reward hacking, and concludes with a call for a collective, positive vision to steer this transformative technology.